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[Moderator's Note: This T-shirt thread generated many responses, enclosed
in this message. Some have suggested creating a timeline of cyber-history
based on images from these T-shirts. I would be happy to help out, so
those of you with t-shirts who want to contribute, take a photo and either
mail it by snail mail to me, or scan it in and email it to me (UUENCODE or
attachment is fine). I'll then put the images up on the Community Memory
web site as they come in. My mailing address is: 632 Broadway, 6th Floor,
New York, NY 10012. Please email me ahead of time so I know to expect it.
Thanks.]
Sender: John Clark Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Jean Armour Polly wrote:
> I have long wondered if someone shouldn't document the history of computing
> through its T-shirts.
[~snip~]
> But, I will settle for the history of the Net thru its wearable art. I know
> of the first Gophercon shirt, was that 1992? I have an assorted EFF
> collection here, too. I also have a 1993 bootleg shirt from Cisco with the
> famous New Yorker "Nobody knows you're a dog" cartoon on it and a Cisco
> flyer on the bulletin board behind the computer.
Well, i have none so cool as yours, but i do have from all the folks i've
worked for over the years, plus some trade show rareities, an early mozilla
from before Netscape went public, for example. Perhaps a web page of the
very best?
Sender: Geoff Mulligan Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
I have two of the original SF-lovers shirts from the early 80's - both
never worn.
geoff
Sender: Chung-Chieh Shan Subject: RE: CM> T-SHIRTS
This is a beautiful idea.
Let me generalize and automate, in escalating levels of dreamishness:
People can scan in their own computing-related T-shirts and upload to a
server via email, Web, etc. The image would be accompanied by the
*year* in which the T-shirt was made (and perhaps other information such
as location, etc.) A self-organizing timeline history would result. If
we have enough images for each year, we can even randomly choose one
from each year for each download. A printed publication is not out of
the question.
What do other people think?
Ken
"The Converter Group in Building 17, a notoriously glum Campus locale"
-- Daniel Underwood, in Microserfs by Douglas Coupland
Sender: mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us (Mike Roberts)
Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
I have one from either 1st or 2nd Interop meeting in 86/87.
Sender: Richard Brodie Subject: RE: CM> T-SHIRTS
We had a beautiful SF-LOVERS T-Shirt in 1980. It was yellow and featured
a green BEM in front of a monitor with a coffee cup. On the cup were
"SFL" (for SF-LOVERS mailing list) in Morse code.
I manufactured the shirts and painstakingly mailed them out myself. If I
remember right, the art was done by Geoff Forward.
I still have a few in a box somewhere. Anyone else out there still have
yours?
Richard Brodie RBrodie@brodietech.com +1.206.688.8600
CEO, Brodie Technology Group, Inc., Bellevue, WA USA
http://members.gnn.com/rbrodie
Do you know what a "meme" is? http://members.gnn.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
Sender: Craig Partridge Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
But, I will settle for the history of the Net thru its wearable art. I know
of the first Gophercon shirt, was that 1992? I have an assorted EFF
collection here, too. I also have a 1993 bootleg shirt from Cisco with the
famous New Yorker "Nobody knows you're a dog" cartoon on it and a Cisco
flyer on the bulletin board behind the computer.
But those can't have been the first. (Doesn't anyone know of a "Surfing the
Arpanet" shirt for example? ;-))
I can get back about 5 years earlier. Around 1988 or so, there were a couple
of notable shirts:
* the OSI elephant shirt (Elephant perched precariously on a set of
telephone lines with subtitle "OSI: Same day service in a nanosecond
world") -- only a few dozen made, c. 1988.
* The Nerds in Paradise T-shirt. Nerd wearing flower shirt and portable
computer on a pink T-shirt. From the IETF meeting in Hawaii (1989?).
Reaching farther back, I seem to recall seeing BBNers wearing T-shirts
from various networking test exercises from the 1970s, but I can't be
sure.
Craig
Sender: rab@well.com (Bob Bickford)
Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
[discussion of historical T-shirts]
I have a pretty good collection of shirts, but I think the oldest is
only 1979 or so. Even my Dr. Dobb's shirt is actually from 1986, and
not one of the originals (though the design is identical). And of course
I have a complete collection of Hackers Conference shirts -- well, except
for the very first, which I did not attend.
Some sources for older shirts would include the annual SIGGRAPH conferences,
as well as various of the electronics industry trade shows in the 70s and
80s. And of course there's a never-ending plethora of company shirts as
well........ I do recall there being shirts at one of the Byte Shops, but
I can't say for sure what was on them!
This has potential to be very interesting. If someone wants to take photos
of (fronts and backs) of some shirts, I'll be glad to cooperate.
--
Bob Bickford rab@well.com
"Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary"
Coordinator, National Libertarian Party's Anti-CDA Campaign
______________________________________________________________________
in this message. Some have suggested creating a timeline of cyber-history
based on images from these T-shirts. I would be happy to help out, so
those of you with t-shirts who want to contribute, take a photo and either
mail it by snail mail to me, or scan it in and email it to me (UUENCODE or
attachment is fine). I'll then put the images up on the Community Memory
web site as they come in. My mailing address is: 632 Broadway, 6th Floor,
New York, NY 10012. Please email me ahead of time so I know to expect it.
Thanks.]
Sender: John Clark Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Jean Armour Polly wrote:
> I have long wondered if someone shouldn't document the history of computing
> through its T-shirts.
[~snip~]
> But, I will settle for the history of the Net thru its wearable art. I know
> of the first Gophercon shirt, was that 1992? I have an assorted EFF
> collection here, too. I also have a 1993 bootleg shirt from Cisco with the
> famous New Yorker "Nobody knows you're a dog" cartoon on it and a Cisco
> flyer on the bulletin board behind the computer.
Well, i have none so cool as yours, but i do have from all the folks i've
worked for over the years, plus some trade show rareities, an early mozilla
from before Netscape went public, for example. Perhaps a web page of the
very best?
Sender: Geoff Mulligan Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
I have two of the original SF-lovers shirts from the early 80's - both
never worn.
geoff
Sender: Chung-Chieh Shan Subject: RE: CM> T-SHIRTS
This is a beautiful idea.
Let me generalize and automate, in escalating levels of dreamishness:
People can scan in their own computing-related T-shirts and upload to a
server via email, Web, etc. The image would be accompanied by the
*year* in which the T-shirt was made (and perhaps other information such
as location, etc.) A self-organizing timeline history would result. If
we have enough images for each year, we can even randomly choose one
from each year for each download. A printed publication is not out of
the question.
What do other people think?
Ken
"The Converter Group in Building 17, a notoriously glum Campus locale"
-- Daniel Underwood, in Microserfs by Douglas Coupland
Sender: mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us (Mike Roberts)
Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
I have one from either 1st or 2nd Interop meeting in 86/87.
Sender: Richard Brodie Subject: RE: CM> T-SHIRTS
We had a beautiful SF-LOVERS T-Shirt in 1980. It was yellow and featured
a green BEM in front of a monitor with a coffee cup. On the cup were
"SFL" (for SF-LOVERS mailing list) in Morse code.
I manufactured the shirts and painstakingly mailed them out myself. If I
remember right, the art was done by Geoff Forward.
I still have a few in a box somewhere. Anyone else out there still have
yours?
Richard Brodie RBrodie@brodietech.com +1.206.688.8600
CEO, Brodie Technology Group, Inc., Bellevue, WA USA
http://members.gnn.com/rbrodie
Do you know what a "meme" is? http://members.gnn.com/rbrodie/votm.htm
Sender: Craig Partridge Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
But, I will settle for the history of the Net thru its wearable art. I know
of the first Gophercon shirt, was that 1992? I have an assorted EFF
collection here, too. I also have a 1993 bootleg shirt from Cisco with the
famous New Yorker "Nobody knows you're a dog" cartoon on it and a Cisco
flyer on the bulletin board behind the computer.
But those can't have been the first. (Doesn't anyone know of a "Surfing the
Arpanet" shirt for example? ;-))
I can get back about 5 years earlier. Around 1988 or so, there were a couple
of notable shirts:
* the OSI elephant shirt (Elephant perched precariously on a set of
telephone lines with subtitle "OSI: Same day service in a nanosecond
world") -- only a few dozen made, c. 1988.
* The Nerds in Paradise T-shirt. Nerd wearing flower shirt and portable
computer on a pink T-shirt. From the IETF meeting in Hawaii (1989?).
Reaching farther back, I seem to recall seeing BBNers wearing T-shirts
from various networking test exercises from the 1970s, but I can't be
sure.
Craig
Sender: rab@well.com (Bob Bickford)
Subject: Re: CM> T-SHIRTS
[discussion of historical T-shirts]
I have a pretty good collection of shirts, but I think the oldest is
only 1979 or so. Even my Dr. Dobb's shirt is actually from 1986, and
not one of the originals (though the design is identical). And of course
I have a complete collection of Hackers Conference shirts -- well, except
for the very first, which I did not attend.
Some sources for older shirts would include the annual SIGGRAPH conferences,
as well as various of the electronics industry trade shows in the 70s and
80s. And of course there's a never-ending plethora of company shirts as
well........ I do recall there being shirts at one of the Byte Shops, but
I can't say for sure what was on them!
This has potential to be very interesting. If someone wants to take photos
of (fronts and backs) of some shirts, I'll be glad to cooperate.
--
Bob Bickford rab@well.com
"Professional Wild-Eyed Visionary"
Coordinator, National Libertarian Party's Anti-CDA Campaign
______________________________________________________________________
