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Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 10:10:32 -0700
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From: crunch@well.com (John Draper)
To: "Multiple recipients of list cpsr-history@cpsr.org" Subject: CM> Cap'n Crunch Responds.
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[Moderator's Note: I contacted John Draper and sent him several of the
posts discussing his role and phone phreaking. He was kind enough to
reply, and here is his response.]
Hi...
I'm taking break from my driving shift.. Currently with my laptop sitting
in my car, driving through New Mexico at the moment, on my way to the rainbow
gathering in the Ozarks. Now, I can comment on some of the origional
postings you sent me previously.
>Sender: footage@well.com (Rick Prelinger)
>Subject: Apple Prehistory
>
>The demo ended when one of my neighbors took it on himself to practice a
>little social engineering and called saying that he was from the telco and
>aware of what was going on, and that there was a black-and-white on the
>way. The "instrument", as its builders called it, was packed up very
>quickly and everything ended.
I'm not exactly sure it happened this way, unless it happened after I
left the dorm that evening.
>Sender: "Bryan P. Haynes" >Subject: "Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistle" and Phone Phreaking
>
>All this talk of "Phone Phreaking" has reminded me of stories back in the
>late '60's, early '70's, of people who could fake out the phone company
>billing system on long distance calls by playing the appropriate tones that
>the phone company used for billing on an Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistle. Has
>anyone heard of this, or was I just being set up?
No, there actually WAS an Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistle, and like the Cap'n
Crunch whistle, it also was pitched at near 2600 Hz, but a hole also had
to be glued for it to work.
>There was never an Oscar Meyer Weiner whistle that I can recall, but there
>was a Captain Crunch whistle.
No, thats not true, there WAS an Oscar Meyer Weiner whistle.
>This was totally on accident of course. The Captain Crunch people, and
>whoever actually made the whistles, did not intentionally create such a
>whistle. It just happened that that was the frequency the whistle created
>when blown.
Not true, the first hole had to be glued in order for the pitch to be close
enough to 2600 hz..
>The whistle was more of an item of amusement for the "phreaking" community
>than anything else I think.
Well, in the late 60's they were quite functional if you happened to be luckey
enough to live in an area where they worked.
Anyway, these are my comments. I'll join the list when I get back from my
trip.
Oh, you didn't give me the name of the mailing list that discussed this, so
you can forward it to the list if you like, and I plan on joining it upon my
return.
Crunchman
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From: crunch@well.com (John Draper)
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[Moderator's Note: I contacted John Draper and sent him several of the
posts discussing his role and phone phreaking. He was kind enough to
reply, and here is his response.]
Hi...
I'm taking break from my driving shift.. Currently with my laptop sitting
in my car, driving through New Mexico at the moment, on my way to the rainbow
gathering in the Ozarks. Now, I can comment on some of the origional
postings you sent me previously.
>Sender: footage@well.com (Rick Prelinger)
>Subject: Apple Prehistory
>
>The demo ended when one of my neighbors took it on himself to practice a
>little social engineering and called saying that he was from the telco and
>aware of what was going on, and that there was a black-and-white on the
>way. The "instrument", as its builders called it, was packed up very
>quickly and everything ended.
I'm not exactly sure it happened this way, unless it happened after I
left the dorm that evening.
>Sender: "Bryan P. Haynes" >Subject: "Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistle" and Phone Phreaking
>
>All this talk of "Phone Phreaking" has reminded me of stories back in the
>late '60's, early '70's, of people who could fake out the phone company
>billing system on long distance calls by playing the appropriate tones that
>the phone company used for billing on an Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistle. Has
>anyone heard of this, or was I just being set up?
No, there actually WAS an Oscar Meyer Wiener Whistle, and like the Cap'n
Crunch whistle, it also was pitched at near 2600 Hz, but a hole also had
to be glued for it to work.
>There was never an Oscar Meyer Weiner whistle that I can recall, but there
>was a Captain Crunch whistle.
No, thats not true, there WAS an Oscar Meyer Weiner whistle.
>This was totally on accident of course. The Captain Crunch people, and
>whoever actually made the whistles, did not intentionally create such a
>whistle. It just happened that that was the frequency the whistle created
>when blown.
Not true, the first hole had to be glued in order for the pitch to be close
enough to 2600 hz..
>The whistle was more of an item of amusement for the "phreaking" community
>than anything else I think.
Well, in the late 60's they were quite functional if you happened to be luckey
enough to live in an area where they worked.
Anyway, these are my comments. I'll join the list when I get back from my
trip.
Oh, you didn't give me the name of the mailing list that discussed this, so
you can forward it to the list if you like, and I plan on joining it upon my
return.
Crunchman
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